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Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: addicted2macs on March 17, 2005, 05:08:19 AM
I'm just getting at the big red dragon in Act III. I've read the ritual book and I think I know what I need to kill him, or weaken him so that I can kill him....

Where do I get my dead dragon for the orb, though? Do I have to kill the Blue that's in the ceremony chamber? For being a stupid SOB, I can't seem to land more than a couple hits before he slaughters me, my henchman, and my summon....

Am I supposed to kill this dragon, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thank ya! Thank ya! Thank ya!
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: spider8bug on March 17, 2005, 09:21:54 AM
Yep. I think if you want to complete that quest you have to kill the blue dragon, feed his dead esence into the orb and give that to Mr. Big Red. This will weaken him and make him much easier to tackle.
You can also try to kill the red one right away, but might be very hard to do, depending yon your character.

/spider
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Sssith on March 17, 2005, 10:40:35 AM
[halforc barb]kill blue dragon with big hurty sword.  hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him hit him ... big blue dragon die[/halforc barb]

Yep...killed blue first then red....
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Nightfish on March 17, 2005, 11:45:07 AM
Even with that dead dragon sphere my character had an ultra hard time killing that red bastard (dunno why, guess my char sucked at low level). Aside from having good AC, resistances, immunity to fear and stuff you can also lower the difficulty for that fight. I think that's what finally got me past these buggers.
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: addicted2macs on March 17, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
Hmmm, hadn't considered lowering the difficulty. But, I'm almost too stubborn and proud to do that....

And if I'm having problems with the Blue, how the hell am I going to take out the Red!? :P

My resists are pretty good. My weapons are decent.... I think I need to rethink my armor, since I've kept damn near every nice piece in a couple bags of holding :)

I'll hit it again. Now that I know it has to be done this way, I won't mind dedicating a bunch of time to it. I just thought I may have missed some trick along the way.

Thanks, folks!
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Dave in the basement on March 17, 2005, 04:46:10 PM
Psst, Brian, head over here:

http://www.gamersoasis.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7448&highlight=

Sure, it has nothing to do with helping you with the dragons, but hey.  :P

Dave
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: maxbeedo on March 17, 2005, 08:45:19 PM
Most dragons come with xx/+3 damage reduction, so you need a +3 weapon to bypass that first.  Klauth has an AC of 41, so you would have a tough/near impossible time hitting him even with a very high level character.  He has somewhere around 700-740 HP, but the dead dragon sphere will take off 500 of that, then you just have to survive for 10 rounds or so while you swing away, hoping to take off the rest of that before he kills you.  For a while all he does is swing at you, use his breath attack a few times (which can do up to 100 damage if you fail your save, have no resistance, and no improved evasion), and try to dispel buffs off of you.  If you have access to spells or scrolls that hurt his spell resistance, maybe then you'd be able to cast some offensive spells, but not likely (SR of 28 or 32 or something like that).  Bring a buddy along if you can, summon another if you're having trouble (having a fire elemental help you would obviously be pretty nice).  Unless your AC is godly, it's not really gonna matter to him, since his lowest attack is around +20, but damage reduction from stoneskin or whatever REALLY helps.

What level and class are you by the way?
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: addicted2macs on March 20, 2005, 05:11:58 AM
Hmmm, double-posted that one....
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: addicted2macs on March 20, 2005, 05:12:59 AM
I'm a level 14 Ranger.... I've been using the 'Recommended' button at almost every level up, and now I've got scads of points in a bunch of skills I rarely use.

Above all, I like the inherent ranger abilities...rapid shot with a bow, dual weapon weilding, summon animal.

I finally took the blue dragon out and filled by dragon sphere with deadly poison! It wasn't that difficult once I took the proper preparations: bless, endurance, bull's strength, barkskin, clarity, and a better armor.

I'll take on Klauth very soon and see if I can get whipped senseless :)
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Dave in the basement on March 20, 2005, 06:01:40 AM
I would offer my level 6 sorceress' services, but I don't think she would add much to the mix.  (Assuming MP would work too, of course! :lol:  )  Good luck!

Dave  :P
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Lego on March 20, 2005, 06:55:50 AM
Quote from: "addicted2macs"
I'm a level 14 Ranger.... I've been using the 'Recommended' button at almost every level up, and now I've got scads of points in a bunch of skills I rarely use.

Above all, I like the inherent ranger abilities...rapid shot with a bow, dual weapon weilding, summon animal.

I finally took the blue dragon out and filled by dragon sphere with deadly poison! It wasn't that difficult once I took the proper preparations: bless, endurance, bull's strength, barkskin, clarity, and a better armor.

I'll take on Klauth very soon and see if I can get whipped senseless :)


Yeah, you'll find that letting the game level you up lands you with a nearly useless character ;-)

BTW: Rapid shot and dual wielding are available to all character classes. Rangers get the Dual Wield Feat for free, though.
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Greybeard on March 20, 2005, 02:25:13 PM
A easy way to kill the Dragons which I did, is have a Cleric character and cast "Harm" spell a few times, they rarely have any luck in resisting it. Have your henchmen distract it while you cast. :)
 :shock:

GB
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Agodeshalf on March 21, 2005, 01:47:13 PM
As people have said one path is to kill the blue, and feed him to the red.  I decided that I didn't want to kill the blue... just to stupid to deserve to die.  So tackled the red unaided by the trick.  He's killable.  My wizard had a hard time, my monk didn't have any problem at all.

A number of people on various forums talk about using harm, which works but seems like a cheap way to kill a dragon.  If you take the cleric henchman,  she'll do the 'harm'ing for you,  dropping the dragon to 1-4 hitpoints if it works.  Then just tap it and its dead.

I seem to remember that there's some belt that reduces slashing damage, and the dragon's claws are considerd slashing damage.  Then all you need is to be buffed against the fire.  Good luck.
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Thrugg on March 21, 2005, 01:58:03 PM
some belt = Greater Swordsman's Belt, one of the more overpowered items in the game.  30K at a blacksmith near you.

It is possible though not easy to find Amulets of Fire Resistance which shave off 20 fire damage, or rather easier to buy Robes of FR which stop 15.  Neither is quite enough, but either will help a great deal.
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Agodeshalf on March 21, 2005, 03:34:54 PM
Yep that's the belt.  A great tweak for the price.  As you say, overpowered but if you want to go toe to toe with the dragon, this makes it doable.
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Greybeard on March 21, 2005, 04:15:37 PM
IMO spells whatever ones are in the game to use, therefore are not "cheap "as mentioned, that is like saying using the best weapon, armor, or henchmen in the game is "cheap". Also Linu does not have Harm as a spell, since it is a lvl 6 Cleric and 7 Druid spell.

If it is in the game, then using whatever is not cheap, the developers would not include it if something was not meant to be used. Also D@D rules would not have spells that are also considered "cheap", to each their own.

GB
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Agodeshalf on March 21, 2005, 04:38:20 PM
Guess I'm just too old school.  Played DnD in college (AD&D rules).  At that time, heal/harm was the top of the cleric's healing skills, and clerics only had up to 7th level spells. Some DM's treated the use of cause spells (the reverse of the healing arts) as an evil act, and good clerics weren't allowed to use them.   It was a touch spell that in the good old days meant you actually had to hit the thing.  

With the new rules came 8th & 9th level spells for clerics, but heal was left at 6th.  Add to it the rules about how touch attacks don't factor in the armor etc of the creature and you have a overpowered skill.  In NWN, it has all the appearance of being a ranged touch attack.  That is, I've seen the cleric henchman stand back and cast harm on the creature.  This just further empowers the spell.

This is nothing against NWN.  They were implementing the DnD rule set.  But it is, IMO, an overpowered spell for it's level.  I agree use whatever the game provides, the belt is another example.  30K for a overpowered item is something you either take advantage of or not.  I personally chose not to use harm, nor do I buy the belt.

I apologize if I came across a bit strong on the "cheap trick" crack.  My son uses it a lot and says how dragons are soooo easy.  Yeah, well dropping the any creature to 1-4 hps just by touching  with like a 75% chance to hit doesn't take much.  With the lack of a real AI for the dragon, and lack of flight, dragons are too easy in NWN.  He's learned that in a pen&paper DnD game, dragons are to be feared, and not triffle with.
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: Dave in the basement on March 24, 2005, 04:01:49 PM
Any luck yet, Brian?  I don't know if this would help or not, but you could load up on all sorts of buffing potions and scrolls (if you can use them).  Assuming the dragon couldn't dispell everything, of course.   :)
Title: NWN: Trouble with dragons
Post by: maxbeedo on March 24, 2005, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from the D&D 3.5 rulebook:

Harm
Necromancy
Level: Clr 6, Destruction 6
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Creature touched
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Will half, see text
Spell Resistance: Yes
Harm charges a subject with negative energy that deals 10 points of damage per cast level (to a maximum of 150 at 15th level).  If this creature successfully saves, harm deals half this amount, but it cannot reduce the target's hit points to less than 1.  If used on an undead creature, Harm acts like Heal.

They fixed it apparently, plus made spell resistance apply if it didn't before, but too late for when NWN came out.