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Title: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 01, 2012, 06:35:11 PM
I was hesitant to go into the other threads as I don't want to see spoilers and given that this game is so old I figured that was likely.

My questions is about NPCs.  I have Alistair, Morrigan, the dog, and I just ran into Sten.  If I add Sten I lose someone else.  Is that permanent?  Can you pick them back up?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 01, 2012, 06:44:04 PM
You will be able to swap them out to your heart's content once you get past a certain point (you're not very far from it) and have access to the campsite area. Until then, you are stuck with your choices.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Reigns on May 02, 2012, 01:06:44 PM
I think a more important question is -- which characters can you seduce?  Morrigan was easy (no pun intended)
Who else can you nail?
:p
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Jedsia on May 02, 2012, 01:14:10 PM
for a guy? the bard...course you can seduce her as a lady as well ;)


edit: might be minor spoilerish...but not giving away any story there. pretty obvious when you meet her....
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 02, 2012, 02:09:53 PM
And the elf. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 02, 2012, 07:00:22 PM
I am a female elf.  I don't think I can get Morrigan.

Not sure who I can get.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 02, 2012, 07:11:35 PM
No matter your race/gender, you always have one same-gender and two opposite-gender options.

Also:

I am a female elf.

Sigged. :D
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 02, 2012, 07:23:28 PM
:lol:

Dork.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 05, 2012, 07:16:29 PM
Ok...more questions.

Opening chests...I am a rogue with one rank in pick locks but I can't open squat lately.  Very annoying.

I imagine that I need more ranks in pick lock and in cunning.  I think my cunning is between 14-17. 

What should I be aiming at in terms of my attributes?  I am current over 30 in dex and 11 strength.  I have an armor that looks nice that needs 22 strength.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on May 06, 2012, 08:33:35 AM
Depends on if you're dual-wielding or doing archery.  Either way I would shoot for 20-22 Str and pretty high Dex, but even more Dex for archery and the rest in Cunning for dual-wielders.  If you don't feel like putting your skill points in Pick Lock, you can bring along one of the other two Rogues to do that job, although you're better off handling it yourself.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 06, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
I am going the archery path.

What minimum should I target for Cunning?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on May 06, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
Probably 20 or so, I can't recall if there are any chests or Coercion choices that require higher than that, plus you need at least 16 to get level 4 skills.  As an archer Dex will be your priority, especially if you play Dragon Age Origins: Awakening, where the Accuracy skill makes a Dex-based Archer the most overpowered character in that game.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 06, 2012, 07:04:15 PM
Not sure if I will do Awakening.  I certainly don't feel over powered right now.

I completed the Werewolf quest for the Dalish elves.  There is a quest dealing with ancient tombs but I can't kill the main skeleton monster.

Got ambushed when leaving the Dalish elves and got my ass handed to me.

Also feel like I am doing things half assed as I missed the tavern in the first place so now I am down a companion.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 06, 2012, 07:16:34 PM
Yeah, it's a game where you want to kick over every rock  and look behind (or in) every stump. Missing stuff hurts, and it's easy to miss some big stuff.

Also, Leliana is made of winsauce (and has some of the best conversations and THE best cutscene), so you should consider going back to a previous save. ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 06, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
Or I start a female Wizard.

Which begs the question.  Where should you go first?  I went to the Dalish camp.  Should I have gone to Redmont?

Also I need to figure out how to survive that ambush.  Overall I am happy with my elf.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on May 06, 2012, 10:25:22 PM
Doing the Mage's Tower first makes the rest of the game easier because of the companion you pick up there.  I typically do Redcliffe next, and flip-flop the last 2 depending on if there's something along that path I want for my character right away (which you won't know first time obviously).

And yes, I would highly recommend going back and getting Leliana.  Even for the sake of achievements, all of my characters found it pretty difficult to NOT romance her.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Kasferatu on May 07, 2012, 12:01:37 AM
I agree with going to the Mage's tower - for both the companion and the other bonuses you get there.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 07, 2012, 03:11:13 AM
I agree  that Mages' Tower first makes sense. It does, however, include the most tedious and obnoxious part of the game (there are actually mods to make you skip that entire section, it's that bad)... So just a heads-up. everyone hates it, but don't give up. Push through it and enjoy the rest of the game. ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Kasferatu on May 07, 2012, 04:28:08 AM
I agree  that Mages' Tower first makes sense. It does, however, include the most tedious and obnoxious part of the game (there are actually mods to make you skip that entire section, it's that bad)... So just a heads-up. everyone hates it, but don't give up. Push through it and enjoy the rest of the game. ;)

I found the entire Dwarf section worse :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 07, 2012, 07:31:08 AM
Okay, not counting Kas, everyone agrees that the Mage Tower sucks. :lol:
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Jedsia on May 07, 2012, 07:36:10 AM
yea i got the mod to skip the tedious part of the mage's tower, it doesn't skip the whole thing, just the sucky part. Doing it once was enough  :lol:

I usually do mages and redcliffe, then its a toss up. though the couple of times i went through, i saved dwarves for last.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 08, 2012, 12:00:02 PM
Well I have done Elves, and now I am at Redcliffe.

Kinda annoyed at the mini smith quest.  Seems like there was no way to get the quest without pissing of Morrigan.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 08, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
Heh, there's lots of that. If you're not pissing off Morrigan, you're pissing off Leli, or Sten, or... etc etc. Bioware is stupidly fond of the "you have to piss someone off to make someone else happy" thing.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Jedsia on May 08, 2012, 05:02:49 PM
just buy their love with gifts  :lol:

(though the ultimate edition makes that a little too easy...., if not amusing)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Terrorphile on May 08, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
Female character + Leliana + Luch's "enhanced" love scenes = too much win. >.>
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on May 08, 2012, 07:20:29 PM
One not-widely-known bonus of being a total jerk to that blacksmith in Redcliffe (i.e. killing him) is that his replacement sells the best Longbow in the game (Far Song), and that's the only way to get it.  I've never done it myself, but it's interesting, although not necessary. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 08, 2012, 08:29:06 PM
Arggg!  I am an archer.  I could use that.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on May 08, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
Like I said, it's not necessary, but something to possibly shoot for in other playthroughs (even if you aren't playing an Archer then, Leliana is a good one).  It's really all about the abilities, since I don't think any Bows have any rune slots so the max damage of the best bow versus most of the other bows is about the same.  One tip, despite the description of Arrow of Slaying it is not just a "critical hit", it's like 5x the damage of a critical hit.  I was confused about that for a long time and didn't know why I would spend the point in it since Critical Shot supposedly did the same thing, then I eventually tried it and did 300+ damage on my first shot.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 09, 2012, 02:44:42 AM
There's an alternate way to replace the smith and get that bow without killing him. ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 09, 2012, 07:34:27 AM
Do tell.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 09, 2012, 07:57:16 AM
Oh wait. I may have misunderstood what max was saying above. I read his post as suggesting that you yourself actually kill the smith (during the attack, ferinstance) rather than bringing him bad news and causing him to kill himself.

Either way he ends up dead though.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on May 09, 2012, 07:58:56 AM
So I can kill him.  Or give him bad news.  And in both cases get the bow?

Do I have to lie and give him the news early or just after the mission is done?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on May 09, 2012, 08:05:11 AM
Pretty sure you have to finish the mission and then go and ruin his life. But I could be wrong. I haven't played in like 2 years. :lol:
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Allen Stenhaus on May 13, 2012, 01:18:49 AM
Mages Tower the worst? I thought it was second worst. Orzammar and the constantly running around doing fetch-quests and the like drove me batty. Of course, I also hate BS politics, so that may have played a role.

As for whether or not to pick up Awakenings... you won't be missing much, and what little you will be missing gets pretty clearly explained in DA2 anyhow. DA2 is not as good as Dragon Age, but it's still a lot of fun. Check out my review:

Dragon Age 2 Review (http://www.epinions.com/review/electronic-arts-dragon-age-2-ps3-mpn-19500-for-playstation-3/content_576818810500)

Basically, Dragon Age 2 doesn't give you nearly as much role-playing flexibility as the first. It's still fun, but it's more "mainstream."
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: narsica on August 06, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
Just started a replay of this, and then I'm going to play all the DLCs. I had forgotten that I had Luch's sex mod installed when I started playing. Dicks everywhere!
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on August 06, 2013, 02:14:29 PM
If there's dicks everywhere, you're doing it wrong. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 19, 2014, 02:05:01 PM
Downloading Dragon Age: Origins now.  Any tips before I start?  Anything I should read up on or just fire it up and go?  I assume it's an open world RPG like Morrowind?  Any hints on classes or builds?  I tend to prefer melee with a small touch of magic.  Think Nords in The Elder Scrolls, Barbarians in Diablo, etc. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on December 19, 2014, 02:18:04 PM
If I remember correctly after Lothering you will have a couple of areas to tackle.  Some of those areas are tougher than others so it kinda helps to do it in order.  Or you can just wing it and see what happens.  Let us know if you want to know a recommended order.

Also be careful about leaving Lothering.  Once you do you can't go back and it is possible to leave NPC allies behind and not have them available for the rest of the game.  I had to start over the first time I did this.

As for class.  You will have four characters in our party.  So it is easy to switch to other characters for the game play aspect of things.  Personally in DA:O I played a mage.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 19, 2014, 02:39:18 PM
Just fire it up and go.

When you get past the whole first section and get to the town of Lothering: do not leave until you have done every possible thing you can find to do and talked to every person.

It's not open world. It's not completely on rails, but it's definitely on a highway-to-somewhere. You can freely move about to some degree but nothing like you're used to from Morrowind or Fallout 3.

There are 3 classes - warrior, rogue, mage. They are as archetypal as it gets. Based on what I've seen you play in the past - go with a 2-handed-weapon warrior. You can later branch into a "specialization" class (like Templar or Reaver) and pick up some faux-magic abilities (no real magic, but still some power-y things). There are no real warriors-with-magic options. You can do a melee-based mage but it takes some lengthy investment as a pea-shooter before you get to that point.

Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Mad Godji on December 19, 2014, 02:48:57 PM
Downloading Dragon Age: Origins now.  Any tips before I start?  Anything I should read up on or just fire it up and go?  I assume it's an open world RPG like Morrowind?  Any hints on classes or builds?  I tend to prefer melee with a small touch of magic.  Think Nords in The Elder Scrolls, Barbarians in Diablo, etc.

It's actually pretty different from Morrowind, it's more a party based game in a more closed environment, think KotOR.

As for tips, in the beginning it is easier to rely on the classic party structures : a tank, a healer/supporter, and damage dealers. Now, the game offers enough companions to cover all of those posts, so choose what you want.

As for classes, there are three main classes (warrior, rogus, and mages) and each comes with four specializations. Not all are available from the get go and must be accessed by finding some specific items or choosing some specific plot paths (though once unlocked, it stays unlocked for all your characters on all your saves).

Warriors can be either the traditional tank, though one of the very first character you meet in game covers that base perfectly. You can go for slow, two-handed (not my recommendation) or dual-wielding warrior (not as efficient as rogue, but much more durable and able to take some hits)

Melee rogues are quite frail but can dish crazy amout of damage, archers still do reasonable damage and are great at picking up dangerous enemies casting spells from the back.

Mages... mages in Dragon Age are extremely powerful. If you want to make the game much easier, go with two mages in your party (with a rogue and a warior). They get some powerful damage spells, even getting the basic first level healing spell drastically increases your survivability, and the Blood Magic specialization gives them access to spells so powerful they verge on broken with a virtually infinite mana pool.


There aren't really warriors with a touch of magic in Dragon Age, you'll see playing that mages have a very specific place in the lore of Thedas (the Dragon AGe world). One of the warrior specialization clearly has powers with vaguely mystical background, but that seems quite far from your meaning. There also is a mage specialization which makes them able to wear armor and use weapons, but they're more mages with armors and a sword than the other way around, they'll still be mostly casting spells.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on December 19, 2014, 04:57:43 PM
What class and race you pick determines your Origin story, of which there are 6, and they are all unique:

Human Warrior/Rogue = Human Noble
Human/Elf Mage = Mage Circle
Elf Warrior/Rogue = Dalish Elf OR City Elf
Dwarven Warrior/Rogue = Dwarven Noble OR Dwarven Casteless

I've played all 6, and I like all of them.  They take about 1-2 hours to complete before joining the "main story" sections that start at Ostagar that are more or less the same for every character besides a few minor details.  If you want the full experience, try out all 6 before continuing through Ostagar and the rest of the game.  They will give you a ton of insight into what the Dwarves and Elves are like in this game vs. traditional Tolkien fantasy, the Mage storyline plays a lot into DA2 and DA:I, and the Human Noble storyline gives a lot of interesting endgame options.  You could also play through all of them on casual difficulty just to get a feel for the world before "doing it for real" and playing on normal or harder ;).

Companion-wise, if you have the DLCs, you have 5 warriors, 2 rogues and 2 mages to choose from.  That, combined with the fact that the warriors in your party generally have the best AI and do pretty well on their own, I usually recommend playing as a Rogue or Mage (Warriors are much more fun in DA2 and DA:I), since you will generally want to have at least one of each at all times. 

The game has some open areas but is not open world.  Some zones are large enough that running in a straight line would take you 5+ minutes to get across (compared to 20+ minutes for DA:I that everyone is playing now), but they are generally straight forward and nearly always have clear paths.  You will rarely feel lost geographically.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on December 19, 2014, 05:30:27 PM
Good points all.

If you want the full experience, try out all 6 before continuing through Ostagar and the rest of the game. 

I kind of wish I had done this.  I guess I still can.  Up to this point I have not played a dwarf.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 19, 2014, 05:48:47 PM
Thanks all.  I guess I did the first castle "right."  No way to know for sure.  I am playing as a human noble warrior and left the castle with my bigassed dog and my mom.  And the Grey Warden guy.  Hope that's all I needed. 

So you're saying it would be smart to start a new game for each of the other classes and play though to this part, huh?  That seems a bit boring from what I've seen so far.  Of course the combat is confusing but I seem to always have a long learning curve for new games. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 19, 2014, 06:17:04 PM
Thanks all.  I guess I did the first castle "right."  No way to know for sure.  I am playing as a human noble warrior and left the castle with my bigassed dog and my mom.  And the Grey Warden guy.  Hope that's all I needed. 

Unless they changed the game since I played, you left yer mum to die. :P

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So you're saying it would be smart to start a new game for each of the other classes and play though to this part, huh?

There are 6 completely different beginnings, as maxbeebo outlined. Only human rogues share the human warrior background you've experienced.  And yes, I agree it's worth doing. If nothing else, you get a quick overview of dwarves, dalish elves, city elves, mages, templars, and circles and thus a fast primer on many of the key elements of the entire series.

So basically - play the beginning section with a noble dwarf (warrior or rogue), casteless dwarf (warrior or rogue), a city elf (rogue or warrior), dalish elf (rogue or warrior), and mage (human or elf). It'll take you a small bit of time but worth it.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 19, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
Wait, yeah, that's right.  I tried to talk her into going with me but she wouldn't.  Then I sort of regretted giving her that nice bow. 

Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 19, 2014, 06:32:28 PM
Then I sort of regretted giving her that nice bow.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 19, 2014, 06:35:14 PM
The most important question: did you at least get to boff the elf handmaid (or whatever she is) before the castle got overrun? (assuming you're playing a male)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 19, 2014, 06:37:14 PM
The most important question: did you at least get to boff the elf handmaid (or whatever she is) before the castle got overrun? (assuming you're playing a male)

Damnit, no.  I picked up the signals but she was dead before I got around to following up on that. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on December 19, 2014, 07:30:34 PM
If you want the full experience, try out all 6 before continuing through Ostagar and the rest of the game. 

I kind of wish I had done this.  I guess I still can.  Up to this point I have not played a dwarf.

The coolest thing about the two dwarves backgrounds is that your perspective on Bhelen and Harrowmont are completely different between them.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Crashace on December 19, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
The one other thing I would add is that not having a rogue in your party to unlock chests gets really frustrating, as there are no keys and the other classes cannot lock pick.  So keep that in mind as you're building your parties later.

I will echo the suggestion of playing all 6 origins out before continuing.  There are pieces from each of those origins that pop up later in the game, and having that back story will make the game world feel much more fleshed out.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 20, 2014, 07:06:45 AM
I now remember why I find starting new games so frustrating.  It's hard to pick skills and start a build when you have no idea what high-end skills are best or worthless.  Or if it's best to focus all points on a small section or tree, or scatter them around. 

Anyone have any build advice?  On the advice of those here I'm making six characters.  So far I have two:
- Male human warrior - Thinking of sword and shield...not sure...
- Elf Mage - I put a point in lightning, but I'm not sure that's the way I want to go.  Godji said something about "Blood Magic" being overpowered but I don't see how to do that.

Upcoming:
- City Elf Rogue
- Dalish Elf (Rogue?)
- Noble Dwarf Warrior
- Castless Dwarf (Rogue?)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 20, 2014, 07:49:38 AM
I now remember why I find starting new games so frustrating.  It's hard to pick skills and start a build when you have no idea what high-end skills are best or worthless.  Or if it's best to focus all points on a small section or tree, or scatter them around. 

Anyone have any build advice?  On the advice of those here I'm making six characters.  So far I have two:
- Male human warrior - Thinking of sword and shield...not sure...
- Elf Mage - I put a point in lightning, but I'm not sure that's the way I want to go.  Godji said something about "Blood Magic" being overpowered but I don't see how to do that.

Upcoming:
- City Elf Rogue
- Dalish Elf (Rogue?)
- Noble Dwarf Warrior
- Castless Dwarf (Rogue?)

Blood magic is a thing you can learn later. For a price.

I haven't played in WAY too long to offer any build advice. Hopefully someone closer to the game can chime in soon. :)

I wouldn't sweat it too much right at the beginning though. Especially since it seems unlikely (to me) that you are going to play all 6 characters to completion...
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on December 20, 2014, 08:44:09 AM
For ALL characters, max out skill points in Coercion, which is basically your Persuade option in dialogue.  Requires 12 cunning for the 2nd pt, 14 for the 3rd and 16 for the 4th.  It is always useful.  Always max out Combat Training for Warriors and Rogues as each point unlocks 2nd/3rd/4th tier talents.  Only one character needs to max out Herbalism, one character for Poison-Making, and Trap-making is generally useless.  Any extra points can go into Survival or Combat Tactics.  Having one character max out stealing can be fun but it's usually better if it's on you for certain quest options.

Honestly, for all warrior and rogues, it doesn't matter too much what talents you pick because you'll pick up the whole tree by the end (just keep in mind the stat requirements for them).  You'll reach level 20-23 by the end and can buy several extra talent points, and each tree like the Sword/Shield tree have 12 talents to buy, so you'll easily get all of them and have points left over for the general tree at the top.

For mages it's a little trickier because they have a lot more options.  I've never had the courage to do something wacky like no fire/ice/lightning spells and do all glyphs or curses or whatever.  Cone of Cold is the most broken spell in the game in that it freezes everything, including bosses, despite immunity, so it's up to you if you want to go that route (if it'll keep you playing when you would quit otherwise, go ahead).  At least on consoles, the big AoE spells Blizzard/Tempest/Inferno could be targeted outside of my visual range through several walls, which made them pretty broken too.

Blood Magic is a specialization.  Specializations are unlocked through various story options, some with party members, and others can be bought in stores.  Once unlocked they are available to all characters you make of that class, there are 4 for each class.  You get a specialization point at level 7 and another at 14.  Blood Magic (and Reaver) require evil options in the game though, so if you don't feel like being evil you can unlock the specialization then reload a save and do it again the good way.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on December 20, 2014, 09:21:43 AM
Dalish Elf - Mage

Mages are the bomb in DA:O.  I personally stayed away from Blood Magic.  But that was more out of role playing.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 21, 2014, 11:20:23 AM
Human noble - warrior done.
Elf mage - done.
Dwarf noble warrior done.

Up next the City Elf and Dalish Elf then the Dwarf Castless.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 23, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
City elf is uncomfortable.

Dalish elf is the best.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on December 23, 2014, 07:55:42 AM
City Elf is great for role playing.  Gives you certain motivations.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 24, 2014, 05:12:26 AM
Done.  Playing the origin bit for each of the 6 types was a great idea.  Thanks all for suggesting it.  I enjoyed them but the writing and storylines sometimes seemed like they were written by a high schooler.  I think I enjoyed the Dwarf noble the best. 

But I'm going to play through the game with the human noble warrior.  Just seems the best fit.  Since I have all the DLC, I'll get up to five party members eventually, right?  Given the advice here seems like I'll take another tank to go along with my own warrior, then a rogue for locks and such, and two magi, one of which will be a healer and the other will be my DPS.  Time to officially join the Grey Wardens!
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 24, 2014, 05:46:07 AM
Yeah, the dwarf noble origin is pretty widely favored.

The city elf one feels really amateurish/hamfisted and awkwardly written to me.

I love the dalish elf one primarily for one brief moment in the end that always makes my heart flop upside down.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 24, 2014, 06:19:47 AM
Yeah, the dwarf noble origin is pretty widely favored.

The city elf one feels really amateurish/hamfisted and awkwardly written to me.

I love the dalish elf one primarily for one brief moment in the end that always makes my heart flop upside down.

Yeah, that's the main one that I thought was over the top emo.  That and the Dwarf Casteless. 

I don't recall any particular thing at the end of the Dalish Elf story....what did I miss?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 24, 2014, 07:04:45 AM
Yeah, the dwarf noble origin is pretty widely favored.

The city elf one feels really amateurish/hamfisted and awkwardly written to me.

I love the dalish elf one primarily for one brief moment in the end that always makes my heart flop upside down.

Yeah, that's the main one that I thought was over the top emo.  That and the Dwarf Casteless. 

I don't recall any particular thing at the end of the Dalish Elf story....what did I miss?

At the end of the dalish origin, as the PC is leaving with Duncan and walking up the hill away from the assembled clan, there's a moment (at least with female PCs, may be different with males) where she looks back at the clan and there's just this expression on her face and the setting/mood is perfect and it all comes together to create this sudden sense of loss and separation and loneliness and it just kills me.

Yeah, ok, I'm weird. But sometimes the stories are just right for me to get invested in the characters. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on December 25, 2014, 07:57:58 AM
The ending to the Dalish Elf origin is mentioned a decent amount in DA2 if you import that save, Merrill (who gets completed RetConned) brings your character up several times.  As good as Merrill was in DA2, I think I liked her look and personality in DA:O better.

And Butch, you only get 4 party members at a time, so if you go 2 warriors you'll only get 1 rogue and 1 mage, which is fine. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 25, 2014, 02:59:55 PM
Good grief there's a lot of ... stuff in the game.  It's exhausting trying to make sure you take to all the people you should and do all the stuff you should.  I think I spent over an hour just in Lothering talking to people and I'm not even done yet. 

I meet up with a rogue priest chick and she wanted to join up so I had to let one party member go.  I dropped my dog just to test it out, but I don't want to be without him forever.  I can get him back, right?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 25, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
Good grief there's a lot of ... stuff in the game.  It's exhausting trying to make sure you take to all the people you should and do all the stuff you should.  I think I spent over an hour just in Lothering talking to people and I'm not even done yet. 

I meet up with a rogue priest chick and she wanted to join up so I had to let one party member go.  I dropped my dog just to test it out, but I don't want to be without him forever.  I can get him back, right?

Once you get past Lothering you'll have access to a "Campsite" area where you can freely swap out your party members any time you want between missions. Including Dog (though honestly I never took him along as I found him pretty useless compared to a "regular" party member).

Tip: when you are in the campsite, take the time to always talk to each of your companions, too.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: narsica on December 25, 2014, 07:20:25 PM
Mod for an extra companion slot for dog, so you don't have to leave him behind (http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/664/?).

A bit cheating, but oh well. Dog does really well against mages (Overwhelm FTW!), and finds you things, and pees on stuff. What's not to like?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 26, 2014, 06:16:12 AM
Okay, After hanging out in Lothering a bit I've figured out the central conflict in this game.  It's not about good guys vs the Darkspawn.  It's about figuring out which party members to take along.  I love the banter between Alister and Moragan(sp?), but this new giant dude we busted out of the cage looks like a better tank than Alister...

Mod for an extra companion slot for dog, so you don't have to leave him behind (http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/664/?).

A bit cheating, but oh well. Dog does really well against mages (Overwhelm FTW!), and finds you things, and pees on stuff. What's not to like?

I might check that out.  I've never modded a game before, but I really want the dog along just out of loyalty.  I mean, he even looks like my own dog!
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 26, 2014, 06:37:37 AM
There's also a mod on Nexus to make the dog stop barking so much when you're in camp. Because GODDAMN. That dog never stops, and it overpowers conversations you're trying to have, too. The mod was made by me. So it's automatically double awesome... because all my mods are awesome. :lol:

http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/130/?


Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: narsica on December 26, 2014, 05:27:46 PM
Modding DA:O (at least, installing mods) is pretty painless - I used the Nexus Mod Manager, and it was very straightforward.

Also, the sex mod is hilarious.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 26, 2014, 05:55:02 PM
Modding DA:O (at least, installing mods) is pretty painless - I used the Nexus Mod Manager, and it was very straightforward.

Also, the sex mod is hilarious.

It may be hilarious, but at the time it was a technical achievement. ;) Nobody else had any idea how to edit cutscenes, and everything I did was pure trial-and-error with incredibly rudimentary tools.

I haven't paid any attention to DAO modding in a couple years now so I'm sure others have surpassed what I was able to accomplish at the time, and/or have better tools for manipulating the camera and animations. Dunno.

I started it as a challenge mostly and then started releasing bits of it (some stuff never got past my own computer :P ) by popular demand.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: narsica on December 26, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
I meant hilarious in a good way. And I'm pretty sure it's still one of the top mods on DA Nexus.  :D
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Mad Godji on December 29, 2014, 02:39:30 AM
Dog as a companion is a one-trick pony : he's a mage killer. You an set tactics so he goes straight on mages with overwhelm, and he'll take care of them nicely. He can do the same kind of thing with archers with a bit less efficiency. Still quite useful early on, but his limited skillset makes him fall behind companions.

As for using Sten instead of Alistair, this can work if you want to go for a warrior too in a much more offensive setup. No real tank, but Sten and you splitting the aggro and able to take a few hits. Not necessarily the easiest thing to start with as some fights will be tricky, but for the few boss fights where you struggle you can always bring Alistair back in*. To be clear though, Alistair will be way, way sturdier later than Sten will ever be (plus if you want Sten to be able to kill things, you'll have to stay away from the heaviest class of armors which take too much of a toll on your stamina, while tanks can do with more passives and less skills, so are less reliant on stamina).

*All companions get experience, even if you don't bring them with you. I know some people like to stick with the same companions, personally I actually switched around a lot.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 29, 2014, 05:38:10 AM
Ahhh.  That's good advice.  I'm trying to build my human warrior into a sword and shield tank.  If I can make him/me tough enough to do that well, then it seems to me the ideal set up for most of the game might be me (tank), with a rogue for chests/etc, a healer mage (the old woman I just picked up at the Broken Circle seems a good fit), and a DPS mage (not sure if Morighan fits that bill or if another might come along at some point).
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Mad Godji on December 29, 2014, 06:08:07 AM
Ahhh.  That's good advice.  I'm trying to build my human warrior into a sword and shield tank.  If I can make him/me tough enough to do that well, then it seems to me the ideal set up for most of the game might be me (tank), with a rogue for chests/etc, a healer mage (the old woman I just picked up at the Broken Circle seems a good fit), and a DPS mage (not sure if Morighan fits that bill or if another might come along at some point).

Morrigan and Wynne are the two mage companions you can recruit, and two mages/a rogue/a tank is indeed the "easiest" setup. If you are a tanky warrior yourself, going with a rogue (Leliana from Lothering makes a good archer, you'll meet later another who is more the classic dagger rogue type), and a mage is pretty standard, fourth spot is where you hav more leeway and can go with whatever you want. I'd say going with the two mages is probably the most powerful combination, but that's a good spot to rotate Sten, Dog or another warrior you will meet later if you want too. If you are a sword and shield warrior, it does make Alistair a bit redundant though.

To be fair, while Wynne has a specialization dedicated to healing, I found that just having heal, the heal over time spell and stasis field was most often all the healing I needed (stasis field is great to temporarily remove an enemy from the fight, but is also a great last resort spell to cast on your own party to save your puny mage grabbed too much aggro and is being pummeled). So even Morrigan can be enough for healing, though of course having two mages opens a lot of other doors and fun combinations (for example, focusing more on healing, buffs and direct damage with Wynne, and more on control, entropy debuffs and damage from another elemental type with Morrigan).
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 29, 2014, 11:12:18 AM
After finishing the Broken Circle part of the main quest I had to go back and do the end boss fight again.  I beat him easily enough the first time, but I didn't know how to properly use the scroll thing and all the magi died.  Couldn't have that, so I looked it up online and went and did it again, this time making sure the boss mage lived. 

Also, I sure wish I would have known about the limited amount of loot you could carry and that I'd not be able to sell anything once I went inside.  I filled up after the first two chests and had to destroy a lot of stuff to pick up the better stuff.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on December 29, 2014, 05:16:38 PM
Drops and chests don't disappear if you don't pick them up, and you can go back later to pick up everything in most areas.  The only places you can't go back to are encounters you have while traveling (except for the merchant who is repeatable), and Lothering which was already mentioned.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Ambar on December 29, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
Yeah, have no idea why I didn't finish...Character Restart Syndrome most likely.

Anyway, started a human mage.  Did the Harrowing, talked with everyone, escorted Duncan to his room, killed the spiders.  Told First Enchanter Irving about the plan, went down stairs, killed everything, found the blood, Jowan destroyed the vial and....I can't get out of the basement.  The door turns blue, shows an up arrow and....nothing.

Tried reloading the final fight etc...nothing.  Not off to a good start.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Ambar on December 29, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
Had the same problem with the second mage.  I then switched to Jowan and the door opened.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 30, 2014, 08:03:28 AM
Damn it's impossible to make Morrigan happy! 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 30, 2014, 08:24:41 AM
Well... not exactly impossible. Just distasteful.

You can make her happy by doing exactly what she wants all the time. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on December 30, 2014, 07:50:36 PM
Or never taking her on any quests ever and just giving her gifts.  DA:O and DA2 do that thing where what they don't see doesn't offend them, so leave them in camp and only tell them what they want to hear and they'll all like you (with a few exceptions for major quest choices).
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 31, 2014, 05:33:45 AM
Or never taking her on any quests ever and just giving her gifts.  DA:O and DA2 do that thing where what they don't see doesn't offend them, so leave them in camp and only tell them what they want to hear and they'll all like you (with a few exceptions for major quest choices).

Well, I'm setting it up so that she's my main magic DPS (and she is kicking a lot of ass) so I take her everywhere. 

I did manage to get her back into the positive area by giving her her mom's book.  I think after I clear out these werewolves I'll go kill her mom for her too.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 31, 2014, 06:27:44 AM
"Dahling, I killed yer mum."
"Oh! Oh, Warden! Take me, I'm yours!"
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 31, 2014, 10:22:23 AM
Ha! I just thought Morrigan was tough.  I've got her happy enough now.  But I swear I can't even talk to Zevran without pissing him off. 

Anyway, I managed to cure the werewolves and get the Elves on my side at the same time.  Onward to pay Flemeth a visit.

QUESTION:  I've got a pile of coin and haven't spent any yet.  I can't figure out what to do with it.  The weapons/armor that I see for sale that would be an improvement on what I have cost a crazy amount and it seems like I typically find something better in short order anyway.  Anything worth looking for?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 31, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
You managed to piss off Zevran? What kind of crazy is your character? Zevran is like a hippy elf (with ginsu knives), super easy-going, tons of fun.

He also happens to be my DAO go-to romance option. :lol: (I mean, sure, Alistair is sweet and Leliana sings pretty and has that delicious french accent, but Zev... Zev rocks)

As for gold: I dunno. I don't remember ever having any particular use for it. I haven't played in a while, maybe there was stuff worth buying later?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: narsica on December 31, 2014, 10:51:43 AM
Generally, the best weapons/armour are found or quest rewards, and the best rings/belts are purchased.. Lifegiver (a ring sold by Garin in Orzammar), Andruil's Blessing (a belt sold by Quartermaster in the Mage Circle), Ring of Ages (sold in Wonders of Thedas shop in Denerim) and Spellward (sold by Bodahn in party camp) are the best accessories.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on December 31, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Onward to pay Flemeth a visit.

Me: Okay boys.  It's one old mage.  We've killed lots of mages.  GET HER!

Flemeth: I'm a dragon LOL.

Me: Bitch turned into a dragon!

Flemeth: Bitches turned into four little piles of ashes! 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: narsica on December 31, 2014, 12:20:06 PM
That was one of my favourite "oh shit!" moments from the first time I played Origins. The other was the joining scene with Duncan and Jory.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on December 31, 2014, 12:26:48 PM
Onward to pay Flemeth a visit.

Me: Okay boys.  It's one old mage.  We've killed lots of mages.  GET HER!

Flemeth: I'm a dragon LOL.

Me: Bitch turned into a dragon!

Flemeth: Bitches turned into four little piles of ashes!

It gets better.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 01, 2015, 09:19:04 PM
Yeah that was a good moment.  Got to love Flemeth.

Or never taking her on any quests ever and just giving her gifts. 

This is what I did since I was a mage and was kicking all kinds of ass.  Never really took her anywhere.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 04, 2015, 07:48:57 AM
Okay, donating stuff to the allies' chests in camp?  Worth it?  I assume it does something to the endgame fight or campaign but I can't figure out what's worth it to donate, what's not, how much, how often, etc.  Any tips?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: narsica on January 04, 2015, 11:15:00 AM
They increase the number and level of the various faction armies for the final battle. It's also a fairly easy source of xp. I'm not sure of the mechanics, but the Dragon Age Wiki (http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Allied_Supply_Crates) has more info (without spoilers).
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on January 04, 2015, 05:50:31 PM
In general, no, not worth it, though I usually donate most of the gems and novice/journeyman level runes anyway because they aren't worth a ton of money.  Sometimes I'll donate the dozens and dozens of deathroots as well if I'm not using any poisons.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 05, 2015, 04:54:20 AM
I've completely run out of things to do before starting the Landsmeet.  I've read somewhere that once you start that, it begins the endgame so I've been putting it off.  But there's nothing else to do.  I've even made the loop around the map a half a dozen times hoping for random ambush fights.  I need to level up at least once more to be able to wear some kickass dragonscale armor I had made.  Hopefully the endgame will get me up there before it's over.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Mad Godji on January 05, 2015, 07:31:15 AM
Nice progress you've been making :D

I'm late to the party I suppose, but for gold, you will notice that some merchants occasionally have very expensive items (80 to 100 gold) which are often best items in their slot indeed. Lifegiver is one, Belt of Anduil was one too, and if I'm not completely mistaken while you get good swords/shieds/bows from quests, the best daggers are to be bought too.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 05, 2015, 09:11:19 AM
You have already finished the dwarves, elven, mage, and ashes quest?  You read and play faster than I do.

Sounds like you are enjoying it which is gg!
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 06, 2015, 06:34:17 AM
After beginning the Landsmeet part of the game I've finally gotten to the first real gut-check moment.  One of those in-game things that really make you feel bad for a character.  I was sneaking through the palace and popped in on a guard getting a BJ from a maid and ruined the whole thing for him.  Felt like a real jerk for that.  So I reloaded a save from just prior to that quest and decided to just go in with guns blazing so to speak.  Much more fun. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 07, 2015, 06:00:35 AM
I'm glad I followed y'all's (is that the correct way to spell that made-up word?) advice on playing the origin for each player character type.  It's really influenced my decisions on this "real" playthrough.  For instance, when I got to the Dwarf part of the main quest, I immediately sided with Lord Harrowmont because I knew Behan was a back-stabbing little bitch.  Didn't even investigate my options.  Likewise, during the Rescue the Queen part of the Landsmeet quest, when I found that noble's son locked up in the dungeon, I knew I could free him for his father's support later, but after seeing what he did in the city elf's origin, I took his key and left his ass to rot in that cell.  Just couldn't free him knowing what a POS he is. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 07, 2015, 09:12:19 AM
Amusingly, if memory serves, Behan turns out to be the correct choice based on post-game stuff. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 07, 2015, 09:40:45 AM
I also sided with lord Harrrowmont.  The other guy is just a tool. 

I don't think I ran into that BJ moment.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on January 07, 2015, 05:50:03 PM
Amusingly, if memory serves, Behan turns out to be the correct choice based on post-game stuff. :P

Since we never go back there in any further Dragon Age material though, it doesn't really make much of an impact either way (we don't really know if Bhelen is that good of a king or Harrowmont that bad of one, the "progressive=good & traditional=bad" message seems rather forced).  Plus Bhelen continues to be a douche and hunts down every member of Harrowmont's family for years to come.

And yeah Butch, I never rescue that particular dude, and you don't need his vote anyway.

And it's "ya'lls". ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 07, 2015, 06:13:48 PM
And it's "ya'lls". ;)

That doesn't make any sense.

Since y'all is the "correct" contraction/spelling for "you all" Butch would have had it right with "y'all's" (well, as right as a made-up tongue-in-cheek bad grammar word can be).

People who spell y'all as ya'll are just doing it wrong. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Mad Godji on January 08, 2015, 08:11:48 AM
I tried both dwarf rulers on different playthroughs, and while I would have liked this subtlety to be more present during the game and less a footnote at the ending, I really like how Harrowmont, despite being a "better" person, isn't necessarily a great king, while Bhelen, for whom the end justifies any means, is also the one who is ready to attack the "bad" sides of dwarf culture. Becaus as "nice" as he may seem, Harrowmont has no issues with the caste system or the suicidal reclusion and isolationism of the dwarves.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 08, 2015, 08:39:09 AM
I tried both dwarf rulers on different playthroughs, and while I would have liked this subtlety to be more present during the game and less a footnote at the ending, I really like how Harrowmont, despite being a "better" person, isn't necessarily a great king, while Bhelen, for whom the end justifies any means, is also the one who is ready to attack the "bad" sides of dwarf culture. Becaus as "nice" as he may seem, Harrowmont has no issues with the caste system or the suicidal reclusion and isolationism of the dwarves.

Which has inspired me to name my new fictional band: "Grey Like Real Life."
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 09, 2015, 04:57:54 AM
What.  The.  Fuck.   

I'm so pissed off at this game right now I'm debating on even finishing it.  So right after the Landsmeet and prior to the last battle, Morrigan pulls some bullshit and I lose her as a party member for good.  And I've literally spent the entire game building my team around her as the main (only) real offensive weapon. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 09, 2015, 06:02:54 AM
Well then...why did you piss her off? :p

I kid of course.  That is pretty annoying.

I think you have to go down a pretty dark path to keep her happy.  That is, if you have her as a main player.  I never used her as I was a mage and I was the main offensive force in the party.  I also had Winn in my party a lot to do all the healing buffs.

It is a pretty epic end so I would say stick with it.  Or revert to an older save and see if you can figure out how to keep her.  Her character screen should show you how negatively she is feeling.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 09, 2015, 06:22:16 AM
What.  The.  Fuck.   

I'm so pissed off at this game right now I'm debating on even finishing it.  So right after the Landsmeet and prior to the last battle, Morrigan pulls some bullshit and I lose her as a party member for good.  And I've literally spent the entire game building my team around her as the main (only) real offensive weapon.

Ooh. Yeah, never build a party around one person in a Bioware game. They give you lots of companions with the unstated expectation that you will create several effective teams. Bioware is good for pulling party members out from under you to test your adaptability.

Besides, Morrigan is a self-serving evil bitch. You had to see it coming. :P

(You should've just boffed her. For the greater good! :lol: )
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 09, 2015, 06:32:27 AM
She was at 100 and "in love" with the player character.  I looked it up, there's no way to keep her without basically going full-evil and making a baby just to infect it with a demon.  No thanks. 

I'll finish it.  Just pissed because it feels cheap and unfair to the player.  I guess I'll take Sten with the us to go kill the arch-demon.   

In hind-sight, I would recommend any new player to play as an offensive-oriented mage.  It gives you the most options for the game and (as some of you said) it has to be the strongest build anyway.  Your party is basically built of
- 1 healer mage
- 1 offensive mage
- 2 rogues (one ranged, one dagger)
- 4 melee/tanks (with slight variations)

You can see the redundancy there and which of those above you really can't afford to lose. 


EDIT:
(You should've just boffed her. For the greater good! :lol: )

Well, yeah.  Did that.  On accident, actually.  I was aiming for Liliana(sp?) the whole time and had her up to 100 but could never get her to move from "Friendly" to "love."  I guess I said something wrong at some point and couldn't close the deal.  So like real life.  But I found some gifts I thought Morrigan would like and the next thing you know she invites me into her tent. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 09, 2015, 06:46:59 AM
Wynne can be built to be sufficiently offensive.

I've rarely used Morrigan, even when playing rogues or warriors. Can't stand her. Ugh.

Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 09, 2015, 06:52:32 AM
EDIT:
(You should've just boffed her. For the greater good! :lol: )

Well, yeah.  Did that.  On accident, actually.  I was aiming for Liliana(sp?) the whole time and had her up to 100 but could never get her to move from "Friendly" to "love."  I guess I said something wrong at some point and couldn't close the deal.  So like real life.  But I found some gifts I thought Morrigan would like and the next thing you know she invites me into her tent.

I meant at the end. The god-baby scenario. ;)


Bummer you failed to get Leli. She's the best.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on January 09, 2015, 07:36:13 AM
Romancing Leliana requires certain dialogue triggers (that are slightly different depending on if you are male or female), otherwise she never gets the idea you're interested.  It's slightly easier if you do her personal quest and convince her to be more like she used to be, then she'll directly proposition you. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 09, 2015, 07:51:57 AM
Romancing Leliana requires certain dialogue triggers (that are slightly different depending on if you are male or female), otherwise she never gets the idea you're interested.  It's slightly easier if you do her personal quest and convince her to be more like she used to be, then she'll directly proposition you.

Well that must be where I messed up.  I thought she was so nice and was happier having found peace with the Chantry so I steered her that way.  I, of all people, wrecked my chances with a girl by steering her TO CHURCH!  Damnit to hell. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 09, 2015, 07:59:21 AM
Leli likes shoes. And shoe shopping. And talking about shoes.

In DA:I, there's a scenario where some soldiers are suffering from low morale and whatnot, and her solution is to send them all new boots. Because everyone loves new footwear.

Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 09, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
Hell, I gave her every pair of shoes I could fine or buy in Fereldon.  That's another bit of advice I'd give new players: Buy/pick up every "gift" item you come across.  Your party members get bonuses if they really like you and giving them the appropriate gifts is the easiest way to boost that up.  It was that mirror that got the player character into Morrigan's sheets.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 09, 2015, 08:20:07 AM
I remember that moment also.  Morrigan left my group also but it didn't bother me.  I think I might have also lost Sten.

My character ended up with Leli.  So all was good. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on January 09, 2015, 08:28:40 AM
The dialogue to trigger her romance isn't specific to her personal quest, you can initiate it with her still being super pro-chantry, it's just that she won't try to seduce you.  Since you already seduced Morrigan, though, it's probably best you didn't, as everyone in DA:O except Zevran (and even him sometimes) is very territorial and knows when you are trying to have multiple romances, and some of those conversations are brutal.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 09, 2015, 08:30:03 AM
Some of those conversations hurt.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 09, 2015, 09:07:37 AM
In DA2 Hawke hits on everyone.  The character didn't get into trouble.  I even remember when Hawke went out into the woods with Zevran all the other characters just shaking their heads.  It was pretty loltastic. 

I wonder if they did that change (between DA:O and DA2) on purpose.

Granted with only one play through in each game it might have just been a quirk of how I played DA2.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on January 09, 2015, 02:21:39 PM
No, you're right, and I think it has something to do with your character in DA:O being the leader of a force meant to save the world, so your party is already emotionally invested in you, but with Hawke, most of the party members are acquaintances at best and only group up to take out thugs or get stuff done (in each new chapter where several years pass it's like they never saw each other, or never saw Hawke anyway).
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 10, 2015, 05:48:53 PM
I've been trying to slay the Arch-Demon for a couple of hours now.  Not because it's that difficult or takes that long in-game, but because the game keeps crashing in the middle of the fight.  It's crashed four times now at various points in the fight.  The closest I've gotten is taking him down to about 25% health. 

Is this a common problem?  Anything I can do or not do to maybe finish this thing out?
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 11, 2015, 06:00:28 AM
Whoot!  Dragon is dead!  Or the arch-demon or whatever.  Finally beat him with my human noble sword/shield warrior (in the full Juggernaut set), Allister, Sten, and Wynne.  In the end, the PC made the sacrifice, Allister made a good king, and everyone lived happily ever after. 

Thanks for the help everyone.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 11, 2015, 06:12:42 AM
Onward to DA2!

:D
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 11, 2015, 06:39:33 AM
Well damn.  Now that I'm done and reading up on the stuff, I realize that I didn't have any of the DLC or whatever comes with the Ultimate Edition installed or activated or whatever.  No Shale or anything.  I'm not sure how to even get it activated...  Oh well.  I'm done anyway.  I sort of do want to go through again as a mage just to do the game "perfectly" but the thought of going through all the tedious stuff is enough to turn me off it. 

If DA:2 goes on sale soon I'll get it. 
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Pixelated on January 11, 2015, 07:06:24 AM
Awww man, you missed out on Shale? That is tragic. Shale is amazing. And her hatred of pigeons and chickens never gets old.

"There may be pigeons nearby. We should be alert!"

Shale stomps on a chicken. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Lg1Uw3Gqo)
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 11, 2015, 07:32:41 AM
That is pretty great.  I don't have any of the DLC so I haven't seen that either.

DA2 is good but the environments do get tedious.  But the story is excellent and worth doing.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Sssith on January 11, 2015, 07:34:23 AM
Bummer that the game crashed multiple times during the end.  No that is not normal.  At least it didn't happen to me.  Sounds like you had a similar ending to mine. gg!
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on January 11, 2015, 06:14:09 PM
You should definitely play DA:O again with another class and do things differently.  There are several endings, and you haven't yet experienced an ending where you live and get to talk with everyone about what they'll do afterwards, and is generally one of the most satisfying endings you'll ever see.
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: Butch on January 12, 2015, 03:45:57 AM
Is there a "canon" version that carries over to the sequels like in Mass Effect?

I'd like to play through again, but I doubt I will anytime soon if ever.  I put over 77 hours into this playthrough.  Too much to do to get sucked down into that rabbit hole a second time!
Title: Re: Dragon Age Questions
Post by: maxbeedo on January 12, 2015, 04:20:32 AM
You could consider the "default world states" canon but in reality any save game you import will affect the future games, including where your main character dies because the main character is different in each game.  There are codex entires in DA2 and DA:I that reference your specific background in DA:O and, if alive, what you're doing, though it's unclear if your DA:O character will ever appear again in any media (the default world state for DA:I is Dalish Elf background who sacrificed themselves, this also makes certain events with a Dalish clan in DA2 more believable).